On conundrums

I got an email yesterday from Zoë’s grandmother, her dad’s mom.

I’m happy, because it was communicative and positive and didn’t continue the year and a half of negative behaviour we’ve both engaged in. I’m happy because she asked to spend some time with Zoë, one-on-one during the next week and that’s all that I wanted from her – for her to arrange time with me that the two of them could hang out. I’m happy because it looks like Zoë will get to see her twice this week and that will make Zoë really happy.

I’m torn, because she asked for a weekend-long visit as well – one during which Zoë’s dad would be there. One during which I have no control over monitoring his drinking or pot use. One during which Zoë’s grandmother is confident that he will abstain from drinking or smoking, because apparently in the past month, she says he’s changed.

I told her that even though it was in direct opposition to his visitation rules, in the past year he’s stayed here and still drank and smoked. But apparently, he’s changed and wouldn’t risk his visitation, she thinks. She says she would hold him accountable.

She doesn’t know that three weekends ago, while he watched her on a Saturday night while I went out with friends, he drank more than a six-pack. She doesn’t seem to know that he’s a different person when he’s not around her and that he hasn’t made one step needed to have overnight visits, including lying to be about sobriety.

She doesn’t know how much I want these overnights to take place, but I think, on some level, that she understands why my gut says no. She left an alcoholic with her two sons (their father) and thinks he cleaned up his act because he had to. From what I’ve heard, it didn’t, but her ruler has far more give than mine.

I want to say that it can happen, if she’s solely responsible for Zoë. I want her to agree that if the Ex chooses to drink and smoke, then she will tell him to leave, or call me, or pull the plug on the visit.

I can’t trust that she would do that – rat out her own son, knowing that he’s in danger of losing his visitation if she does.

I can’t assume that her view of the greater good will match my own – that Zoë grow up seeing her dad sporadically, rather than regularly, hungover or drinking. I can’t look at the potential of a weekend visit as more than an opportunity for everything to go badly, while I also get a weekend off.

I want that weekend off. God. I want it. And I feel so selfish for it.

I just don’t know what to do.

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  • it takes more than a month for an alcoholic to unlearn his alcoholism. usually they have to "hit bottom" (the term usually associated with losing everything) before they can even begin to start the process of healing.

    Your ex hasn't hit bottom. Not even close. I know how much you want the weekend, but my personal opinion is that it isn't time.

    Moreover you know it too, and if you do this you'll find you'll spend the entire weekend worried about Zoe. Not much of a vacation, huh?
  • You're in a tough spot. You do need time off every once in a while and Zoe needs to spend time with her grandmother. But my first question was will her dad drink and smoke while he's at his mother's house?
    His mother ought to toss him out if he does. I know mine would have.
    Good luck.
  • Hi, I really understand your situation right now miss. I just want to say that you should give her a lesson. If she cannot stop on wasting her life in drinking and smoking rather than to be a responsible to your child,I would rather give her a choice, to be with your child or to continue her addictions..It is an effective tip from me. Just keep holding on miss.Your child needs you. Thanks for sharing your life. Just pray, ask guidance.
  • You are going to make the right decision for both you and Zoe. Because you have to. And even if things don't work out perfectly, you will still make the right decision. Because you CANNOT control the actions of other people, only your own. Always keep that immutable law in mind.

    I think LovingDanger has a great idea, enlist Mother of the Changed as an ally.

    Keep in mind that unless The Ex has changed friends, he has not changed. And if he is on the wagon, and has not changed the people he associates with, that change is at best momentary. Even if he is good right now, do not be lulled.

    My best advice, if you want it, is to accompany Zoe to Grandma's house, see for yourself the state of Ex's sobriety. Evaluate it. Trust your observations. Remind them both that your main concern is your daughter's well-being. Make a logical decision and do not be swayed either way by anything but reason.

    And know that you are in my prayers tonight. You WILL do the right thing.
  • I don't know you, but you're speaking my language, telling my story, strumming my pain with your fingers (or something like that). Except the negativity has been coming from MY mother... No bueno.

    I wish you the very best of luck sorting this all out. My heart goes out to you. Really and truly.
  • I don't envy you this situation.

    In my life, I am so hoping that the "father-to-be" of my baby, keeps staying out of my life (and when she is born, stays out of hers), as does his family, just so I don't have to deal with this kind of stressful decision making.

    Best of luck figuring out what is best for all involved.
  • I wonder if you and her work out the whole HER having visitation if she would be less inclined to lie for her asshat son? Her covering for him could be out of fear of HER losing Zoe? Maybe giving her this opportunity and stating that you really want her to be a part of Zoe's life even her her son isn't might change things? Just a thought
  • I fucking hate that you're in this position.

    You deserve a weekend, ZOE deserves it.

    But I think you're correct that you can't expect her to rat out her own son and I wouldn't trust him either. And that sucks.
  • Definitely trust your gut. Not any other guilt talking to you or a desire for some alone time. Quiet all of that and really listen. You will find the right answer.
  • Vic
    Buy yourself some time. Perhaps you can be 'busy' for the next few weekends and want to get through them before making any plans for others. Then you can see what's going on before you commit to anything.
  • Only you can know what to do here. How trustworthy your ex's mom is, how available Zoe will be to talk to while she's there, etc.
  • That is really tough. Maybe you could have a few test runs first, without an overnight. A day-long visit, and see if Gran keeps the visitation and diet rules for Zoë. I'd be very reluctant to allow an overnight right now, especially when this 'change' in her dad is so recent.
  • Well, that's completely understandable. You are a mother and it's normal to feel that way. I agree with Raul, that mothers can talk directly and openly about this.:) Thank you for sharing this.
  • Liza
    If your gut is saying this is not a good idea (and his behavior is certainly responsible for that), I would say NO to the overnight part. Explain to his mother but stick to your guns! I would definately want him to prove himself "changed" alot more before I would allow it. As his mother she cannot see as clearly as you do about the real situation.....Zoe has to be the most important.
  • You may be looking for a 'night off' - and I don't blame you, everybody needs to be able to take a little time to and for themselves once in a while - but taking a night off doesn't let you stop being 'The Mom' for that night. If you think Zoe's needs have even the slightest chance of not being properly met ... well, I'm sure you know what the decision needs to be.
  • What to say?

    I can completely, utterly and 100% understand where you're coming from.

    There's two things. One thing is - she is a mother, so are you. On certain level, I would think she would understand why you're hesitant (and I think she does, as you mention in your post)

    The other thing - she is a mother. Actually, HIS mother. From my Mom-son relationship (and knowing how my Mom relates to all my brothers - yes we are 5 boys), I know for a fact that my mom would call me out on whatever I did wrong. To my face. But I also know that, to the world, Mom is fiercely protective of her boys.

    So, I totally feel what you are saying here. If I were in your place, I would explain it too to her Mom. On a fundamental level, I would want to believe that mothers can talk to each other directly and openly.

    Just a thought... hugs and love, R.
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