Comments on: On #nestlefamily and guerrilla tweeting http://mommyismoody.com/2009/10/01/on-nestlefamily-and-guerrilla-tweeting/ ...sometimes, I need a time-out, too. Tue, 08 Jun 2010 03:05:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: DC http://mommyismoody.com/2009/10/01/on-nestlefamily-and-guerrilla-tweeting/#comment-11387 DC Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:51:38 +0000 http://mommyismoody.com/?p=1987#comment-11387 I miss everything - seriously! Love your support of women!! I miss everything – seriously! Love your support of women!!

]]> By: Norman Rockwell Art http://mommyismoody.com/2009/10/01/on-nestlefamily-and-guerrilla-tweeting/#comment-11385 Norman Rockwell Art Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:36:56 +0000 http://mommyismoody.com/?p=1987#comment-11385 I know, from my own experiences, that when someone yells, screams or attempts to carve their message into my skin or brain, I immediately withdraw any desire to listen to anything they have to say in any serious conversation. No matter who is right or wrong, there is still a place for civility in this world. Civility belongs in any conversation. Of course, I guess, screaming at another doesn't really qualify as conversation, does it? I know, from my own experiences, that when someone yells, screams or attempts to carve their message into my skin or brain, I immediately withdraw any desire to listen to anything they have to say in any serious conversation. No matter who is right or wrong, there is still a place for civility in this world. Civility belongs in any conversation. Of course, I guess, screaming at another doesn’t really qualify as conversation, does it?

]]> By: Tiaras & Tantrums http://mommyismoody.com/2009/10/01/on-nestlefamily-and-guerrilla-tweeting/#comment-11384 Tiaras & Tantrums Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:37:52 +0000 http://mommyismoody.com/?p=1987#comment-11384 I miss everything - seriously! Love your support of women!! I miss everything – seriously! Love your support of women!!

]]> By: Deb http://mommyismoody.com/2009/10/01/on-nestlefamily-and-guerrilla-tweeting/#comment-11383 Deb Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:48:32 +0000 http://mommyismoody.com/?p=1987#comment-11383 I get your points, but you are leaving out some of the ways some of the bloggers were acting. There is a continuum of change theory that depends on some people changing policy politely, some being advocates, some being activits, and some being downright disruptive. I think a lot of the disruptive heat came from non-mommybloggers, but that it was ultimately useful to the overall protest, which is essentially what that was. There is value in interrupting, or Guerilla action, as you aptly titled your great post. The hard thing is that if one is agreeing to have one's avatar and tweets on their site, you are more than an independent journalist, and an activist has a right to engage. And Twitter makes protest and interruption not only easy but likely. I think of it this way. Hustler has a junket, makes a similar site featuring male bloggers's avatars, says the hagtag is #hustlerloveswomen. Others think that's awful and write to the bloggers, saying don't tweet free PR for Hustler, they are gross. They're like, I wanna go and see for my own reasons. I don't think a lot of mommybloggers would sit back and wait to see if the men were going to confront Hustler about exploiting women. When they saw the attendees tweeting "Hooray for Hustler,love my steak, can't wait to start the tour! #hustlerloveswomen" or "Making collages with Hustler mags, licking the pages! #hustlerloveswomen" all hell would break loose. It just doesn't hold up that attendees don't become voicepieces for PR while on junkets. I don't like attacks, either, but the truth is we have a lot to figure out. I get your points, but you are leaving out some of the ways some of the bloggers were acting. There is a continuum of change theory that depends on some people changing policy politely, some being advocates, some being activits, and some being downright disruptive. I think a lot of the disruptive heat came from non-mommybloggers, but that it was ultimately useful to the overall protest, which is essentially what that was. There is value in interrupting, or Guerilla action, as you aptly titled your great post. The hard thing is that if one is agreeing to have one’s avatar and tweets on their site, you are more than an independent journalist, and an activist has a right to engage. And Twitter makes protest and interruption not only easy but likely.

I think of it this way. Hustler has a junket, makes a similar site featuring male bloggers’s avatars, says the hagtag is #hustlerloveswomen. Others think that’s awful and write to the bloggers, saying don’t tweet free PR for Hustler, they are gross. They’re like, I wanna go and see for my own reasons. I don’t think a lot of mommybloggers would sit back and wait to see if the men were going to confront Hustler about exploiting women. When they saw the attendees tweeting “Hooray for Hustler,love my steak, can’t wait to start the tour! #hustlerloveswomen” or “Making collages with Hustler mags, licking the pages! #hustlerloveswomen” all hell would break loose. It just doesn’t hold up that attendees don’t become voicepieces for PR while on junkets. I don’t like attacks, either, but the truth is we have a lot to figure out.

]]> By: ShredderFeeder http://mommyismoody.com/2009/10/01/on-nestlefamily-and-guerrilla-tweeting/#comment-11382 ShredderFeeder Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:35:07 +0000 http://mommyismoody.com/?p=1987#comment-11382 Nope - you're not evil unless you come out of it spitting their PR like it's the gospel. *THEN* you're evil. ;-) Nope – you’re not evil unless you come out of it spitting their PR like it’s the gospel.

*THEN* you’re evil. ;-)

]]> By: ShredderFeeder http://mommyismoody.com/2009/10/01/on-nestlefamily-and-guerrilla-tweeting/#comment-11381 ShredderFeeder Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:33:27 +0000 http://mommyismoody.com/?p=1987#comment-11381 Again - a corporation does *NOTHING* that doesn't serve it's self interest. NOTHING. EVER. And every single blogger/tweeter there was bent-over and screwed by them, because not only did they get what would amount to THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS of free advertising on blogs and websites that usually charge for such placement.... They also bought your good word for a plane-ticket and a bunch of free samples. Again – a corporation does *NOTHING* that doesn’t serve it’s self interest.

NOTHING.

EVER.

And every single blogger/tweeter there was bent-over and screwed by them, because not only did they get what would amount to THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS of free advertising on blogs and websites that usually charge for such placement….

They also bought your good word for a plane-ticket and a bunch of free samples.

]]> By: ShredderFeeder http://mommyismoody.com/2009/10/01/on-nestlefamily-and-guerrilla-tweeting/#comment-11380 ShredderFeeder Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:30:07 +0000 http://mommyismoody.com/?p=1987#comment-11380 When it comes to cynicism I win first prize. Mostly because I've worked in / for a good 2/3 of the Fortune 500, and they *ALL* operate the same way. Bleed the consumer for every dollar they can, then try to squeeze another two-bits out of them for good measure. It's why I don't operate that way, and it's why I will *NEVER* be rich. I charge just enough to make ends meet, usually about half what my competitors do. :) (On the hosting business I lose a *LOT* of money, but that's just a fun hobby for me. :) When it comes to cynicism I win first prize. Mostly because I’ve worked in / for a good 2/3 of the Fortune 500, and they *ALL* operate the same way.

Bleed the consumer for every dollar they can, then try to squeeze another two-bits out of them for good measure.

It’s why I don’t operate that way, and it’s why I will *NEVER* be rich. I charge just enough to make ends meet, usually about half what my competitors do. :) (On the hosting business I lose a *LOT* of money, but that’s just a fun hobby for me. :)

]]> By: anymommy http://mommyismoody.com/2009/10/01/on-nestlefamily-and-guerrilla-tweeting/#comment-11379 anymommy Sat, 03 Oct 2009 02:39:59 +0000 http://mommyismoody.com/?p=1987#comment-11379 I loved this post, thanks for writing it. The whole incident (like many before it) made me sad and I stopped following it because it's so uncomfortable to see people treated that way. And that is unfortunate, just as you said, because I am a fairly educated, somewhat critical thinker, I was unaware of the problems with Nestle and I would have liked to have learned. You hit it exactly when you said that no one learns a screamed message. (Now if only this mommy blogger could remember that when she's trying to impart a, ahem, message to her children.) Oh, I did read PhDinparenting's post, which was very well done! I loved this post, thanks for writing it. The whole incident (like many before it) made me sad and I stopped following it because it’s so uncomfortable to see people treated that way. And that is unfortunate, just as you said, because I am a fairly educated, somewhat critical thinker, I was unaware of the problems with Nestle and I would have liked to have learned. You hit it exactly when you said that no one learns a screamed message. (Now if only this mommy blogger could remember that when she’s trying to impart a, ahem, message to her children.)

Oh, I did read PhDinparenting’s post, which was very well done!

]]> By: BusyDad http://mommyismoody.com/2009/10/01/on-nestlefamily-and-guerrilla-tweeting/#comment-11378 BusyDad Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:00:44 +0000 http://mommyismoody.com/?p=1987#comment-11378 In other words, get off your high horses and act like grownups? A-fuckin-men. There is a time, place and way to bring issues into the limelight. Attacking your fellow bloggers for going on a trip to Nestle is not one of them. I'm saying this as a pre-emtive strike. I recently went to a benefit event for Childhood Hunger that ConAgra Foods played a big part in. Since they are a global corporation, they must be "evil" - now that I drank their free booze at the party, by association I must also be evil. Oh well. Awesome post, and my sentiments EXACTLY! In other words, get off your high horses and act like grownups? A-fuckin-men.

There is a time, place and way to bring issues into the limelight. Attacking your fellow bloggers for going on a trip to Nestle is not one of them.

I’m saying this as a pre-emtive strike. I recently went to a benefit event for Childhood Hunger that ConAgra Foods played a big part in. Since they are a global corporation, they must be “evil” – now that I drank their free booze at the party, by association I must also be evil. Oh well.

Awesome post, and my sentiments EXACTLY!

]]> By: Melissa Multitasking Mama http://mommyismoody.com/2009/10/01/on-nestlefamily-and-guerrilla-tweeting/#comment-11377 Melissa Multitasking Mama Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:37:48 +0000 http://mommyismoody.com/?p=1987#comment-11377 Bra-frickin-vo! Bloggy mama drama has got to stop if our community is ever going to be taken seriously. Thanks for such a well written post!! Bra-frickin-vo! Bloggy mama drama has got to stop if our community is ever going to be taken seriously. Thanks for such a well written post!!

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